Yesterday Pat, Kevin, and I engaged in a fairly engrossing
debate on facebook about a variety of things, all stemming from what it means
to be a music snob. Essentially, Kevin
and I were clowning on Nickelback and how they are really lame and Pat started
challenging us because it seemed to him that we were making broad
generalizations about the fans of this band and how they like crappy
music. Kevin said he didn’t understand
how so many people could like such bad music. I said I totally understood why people like
such bad music, because this music tends to be melodic and simple. Pat wondered what was so bad about being
simple which I admitted that there was nothing wrong with it. But just like everything else, there is good
simple and there is bad simple.
This assertion that Kevin agreed with pretty much set Pat
off and he accused us of being elitist and snobs. Now he may have a point here, and being a
music snob is not something that I am not used to being called. And I started thinking about the movie High Fidelity and how there are so many scenes from that movie that are so relevant for me. My Webster’s iPhone app includes a definition
of a snob as: “One who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of
knowledge or taste”. So yes, I am a
snob. So is Kevin. So is Patty. If we ever ran a record store, conversations may go something like this. Only maybe a little less dickish:
But as I consistently stated in our debate is that there is
nothing inherently wrong with liking Nickelback or Creed or any other band for
that matter. Taste is such a subjective
thing and as with all things subjective there is no inherent wrong or right
there. The only wrong and right is what
one feels from a personal standpoint. I
think Nickelback sucks, so for me personally, listening to them would be wrong. But what this whole subjective medium does to
someone who cares so passionately about it is turn that person into a
snob. You know that person who asks
others at a party who their favorite band is or which albums they’d take with
them on a deserted island or which concerts are the best they’ve ever
seen? Yeah, I’m that guy.
I don’t do this to fish for that person who says something
that I so vehemently disagree with so I can chastise them. I do it to seek out a connection. I agree with John Cusak’s character Rob in High
Fidelity when he speaks so passionately about how taste in music and movies
and pop culture matters in finding a partner.
It also matters when befriending someone. Let’s face it; if you don’t have at least
some of these basic interests in common, it’s going to be difficult to
establish any lasting and meaningful friendship.
Now I don’t mean to suggest that it is the only thing that
matters. I disagree with Rob when he
says it doesn’t matter what you are like.
But his point here is well taken, and for me, the strongest connections
I’ve ever made have been with those who like similar things that I do, at least
on some level. And sometimes when I’m at
that party engaging someone in whichever question seems most salient in my
mind, I tend to let my snobbery take over me.
I often tell of the story when I asked my friend Christi
what the greatest live concert she’d ever seen.
Without batting an eye she confidently answered “John Mayer”. To which I just as quickly replied “No it’s
not”. To Christi’s credit, she
immediately called me out on what a dickish thing this was to say. She asked me who I was to make such a
statement and that she was only answering my question honestly. I immediately felt like a jerk and apologized
profusely telling her how right she was.
You see, that was my personal subjective arrogant side coming through
without a filter. Maybe it also had
something to do with the few beers I had consumed prior to asking the
question. Of course that was Christi’s
greatest live show. But for me, I just
didn’t see how that could be possible because I think John Mayer’s music
sucks. I had seen so many great shows
and in my head I just didn’t think Christi knew any better and rather than turn
that objective filter on and come to the understanding that this was a
perfectly valid answer, I jumped the gun and got all high and mighty. I was being a snob, and felt like a less intense version of this:
A few years later I was engaged in another music
conversation with some friends and I asked them which five albums they would
take with them to a deserted island.
Because you know, that might actually happen. A few of us gave our answers and discussed
them a bit when we came to our friend Melissa.
Now I knew her background and tastes stemmed mainly from Nashville
Country music which is one of my least favorites, but I was still genuinely
interested in what she had to say. I was
prepared for answers that I wouldn’t personally agree with, but I was cool with that. I just think it’s a great question. But I was surprised by her answer………..because
she didn’t give one. She only said that
she did not know how to answer it. That
she did not really know many albums like that.
That she didn’t listen to music the way I do. And that she was intimidated by the
question. This was not an answer I had
ever heard before, and I had asked this question to a lot of different
people.
I kept prodding her to explain herself, not because she owed
me anything, but because I was genuinely curious about such a different point
of view. She basically told me that
music for her is something that is just there.
She listened to it as background music, or to dance to at a club or
wedding, or just to pass the time. She
didn’t consume it, or read about it, or talk about it. For her, it was just there and she honestly
did not have a vast knowledge of the different types of albums she had and
could not really differentiate between them.
I explained to her how that type of mindset just didn’t make sense to me
and that I was sorry if my question was in any way intimidating, as that was
the last thing I was going for.
But that is when I truly started to try to understand people
who did not have the same tastes as I did.
You see, it’s not so much that Melissa liked different music than I did;
she actually approached and viewed music from a completely different
perspective. She didn’t care. She chose to put her efforts elsewhere in
regards to interests and leisure time. I
suppose one of the things that made this conversation so difficult for me was that
most of the friends I had in my life could all relate to music the same way I
could, at least on some level.
One final related story occurred earlier this year at a bar
on St. Patrick’s Day. I had met up with
two of my uncles at a sports bar and we got to talking about all kinds of
things, some of them music related. A
guy at the next table overheard some of our conversations and chimed in here
and there. Eventually, he and I engaged
in a pretty interesting conversation about music and I realized we disagreed
about every topic that was brought up.
He thought Keith Moon was not a very good drummer, that Hendrix was
extremely overrated and merely a “decent blues guitarist”, and that Paul
McCartney was far superior to John Lennon in not only his solo career but also
as a songwriter in the Beatles. He also really liked Steve Miller, Lynard Skynard, and Aerosmith. There
were some other assertions he made that I totally disagreed with, but I can’t
remember them all. It's important to point out that unlike Christi and Melissa, this guy was a music guy and played in a
band and knew a lot of different things.
But he was coming at it all from a totally different perspective than I
was. He wasn’t like Melissa who really
didn’t care. He just had totally different tastes and opinions than I
did. And no matter how logical I tried
to be (like admitting that I really didn’t know enough about the intricacies of
playing the guitar enough to determine for myself who the greatest of all time is, but that there are plenty of great musicians who do and that they all
agree that Hendrix is the end-all-be-all of guitar players so I’m going to go
ahead and take their word for it) he would not budge on his position. He understood what I was saying, but he
didn’t agree with it. It was another
extremely profound moment for me.
This is what I was trying to convey to Kevin and especially
Patty. My point of view, taste, belief,
conviction, and understanding are all objectively no more valid than are anyone
else’s. They are all equally passionate
and salient. However, SUBJECTIVELY, no
one has a better point of view, taste, belief, conviction, and understanding of
anything than I do. And don’t lie; you
feel the exact same way. Even you who
doesn’t care much about music at all.
You feel the same way. I have been chastised by others for liking certain music, and sometimes by people who I think have horrible taste. There have been plenty of times when I've played a song or an album in front of a non-music person and that person has told me that they think it sucks. So one could make the argument that even non-music people can be snobs too. You know
how when people say “I don’t judge”?
They’re lying. Every. Single. Time.
We are all judging at all times.
Whether we allow our judgments to come out of our mouths or not, the
thoughts are there. And they never fully
go away. There is nothing wrong with
this as it only makes us human. I’d
actually be way more concerned if someone didn’t have such feelings. Who are you?
Data?!
So when Kevin and I talk about how much Nickelback sucks and
how everyone who likes them has bad taste, we both know that this is a
subjective opinion and there is no way to scientifically prove us right or
wrong. But we will assert our position
so strongly that it comes across like we actually think we are the smartest
people with the best tastes in the world.
We both know that’s not true. It
just depends on how we’re thinking at the time as the subjective and objective
can rarely share the same space simultaneously.
But back to the most fundamental message of this post. Most people do not approach things with a
highly critical ear. Oftentimes, people
access pop culture to escape into some sort of dumber reality so that they can
cope better with their lives. As human
beings, we work hard and have huge problems.
When we engage in entertainment, we typically don’t want to think too
much. We want it to be immediately funny,
or catchy, or engaging. We don’t want to
give it time to resonate with us. If the
gratification isn’t instant then it’s not worth pursuing. Large media conglomerates are very aware of
this and will frequently offer funding for projects that are guaranteed to
sell. This doesn’t mean that these
companies aren’t capable of producing material that is quality and can appeal
to the masses. There are plenty of times
where critical acclaim and mass appeal converge on a regular basis (Adele’s 21 last year is an excellent recent
example of this). It’s just very
difficult to pull this off.
I’m trying hard not to come off like an arrogant jerk
here. It’s not like I don’t like
anything that I think is bad. I freely
admit that I watch and thoroughly enjoy The Jersey Shore. I enjoyed the movie Hall
Pass which was panned by the
critics. And I like a lot of generic 90’s
rock music, which at one point prompted Patty to claim that my CD collection
was like the Bizzarro Library of Congress (one of his greatest lines
ever). Many refer to such likes as
guilty pleasures, but Kevin has told me many times that there is no
such thing as a guilty pleasure. If you
like something, you should like it and be done with it. You shouldn’t feel guilty about it and just
own your likes and dislikes. The term
only exists because it implies that a significant portion of the population
dislikes and chastises the item in question and that one should feel bad for
enjoying it. I have mixed feelings about
Kevin’s assertion and can see both sides of the argument. I know that Jersey
Shore is a horrible travesty of
modern entertainment, and a part of me feels slightly embarrassed in admitting
it. But man oh man is it fun to watch.
Sometimes that’s all we’re looking for: pure, unadulterated,
and mindless entertainment that distracts us a bit from the complexities and challenges
of everyday life. People have interests
in all kinds of areas, mine happens to be in music and to a lesser extent
television, movies, politics, and sports.
My uncle JB wrote a speech about this once (he is a big music guy and
hosts a weekly radio show in St. Augustine
playing roots rock and Americana
type music) and his main premise dealt with what he called the 90/10 rule. That is: 90% of people listen to music as a
way to pass the time. They don’t care
all that deeply about it and just get all their musical knowledge from top 40
radio. They are perfectly happy with
this and enjoy music on their terms which is a much of a surface level
interest. My friend Melissa is part of
the 90%. The other 10% are people like
me, Pat, and Kevin. We actively consume
music and are very passionate about it.
We like to talk about it and learn more about it through others. We make mixes, we see a lot of shows (or
would if we had more money or if bands played anywhere near Port St. Lucie), and
we can argue and debate for hours about it.
We never get bored or content, and we are always interested in hearing
new bands and artists. It doesn’t make
us any more right or wrong than anyone else, it just means we approach the
medium differently. And that is
perfectly fine, as it promotes diversity which is always a good thing and makes
life more intriguing. For us, just keeping the discussion going is part of the thrill.
So if we’re ever at a party together and I start getting all
high and mighty talking about music and you feel I’m being annoying or
obnoxious, please just tell me to stop. My
subjective self sometimes gets out of hand and holds my objective self
hostage. I think I’m getting better
about not letting this happen, but like everyone, there is always room for me
to improve. But seriously, can’t we all
agree on the one universal truth? The
one thing that has been constant since the dawning of time (or at least since
1995)? Nickelback sucks.
-M
Matt, I am always quoting that bit about "It's what you like, not what you are like" (obviously it's not 100% true, but I do actually think there is some truth to it) Right on. This is great.
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I like music and appreciate it and, in my opinion, have good taste, but I rarely consume an entire album cover-to-cover; I tend to enjoy shuffle or Genius Mix! The only exception is a live show where taking it, again in my opinion, ruins the flow of what was being created.
ReplyDeleteGreat post, though, Matty. I'll always talk with you about music even though there is that one massive cavern between our tastes.
Fun post to read. :) Arrived here looking for a High Fidelity pic to use for a post I'm writing and stayed because of the stories. I do like John Mayer, I don't like Nickelback, and I can't imagine the brain destruction trying to decide on only 5 DIDs (even though that's the point of the exercise). Pretty sure Hatful of Hollow by the Smiths would be one of the five, for sure.
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